Francis Irving

CEO of ScraperWiki. Made several of the world's first civic websites, such as TheyWorkForYou and WhatDoTheyKnow.

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  • That’s a good question – which is another way of saying that I don’t know the answer!

    In terms of lobbying, the law librarians seem to be closest to asking for what we want. It would be possible to start a campaign with them and with BAILII.

    Perhaps the Bar Council and the Law Society could be persuaded to join in as well. It would ultimately be to the financial advantage of their members. In Canada, I’m told, similar organisations paid for a freely available statute law database to be made (I don’t have a reference for this).

    Getting various voluntary legal aid groups to say how the copyright situation harms them and their clients would be an example good campaigning tactic. In many ways it is actually the case that copyright restrictions on legal information harm the poorest and most vulnerable in society.

    Next is simple disobedience. My impression of the culture amongst lawyers is that, when the DCA statute law site is live, they won’t be very obedient about the copyright anyway. There’ll be lots of people printing out sections of statute law from the DCA site and handing them round, pasting them in their own websites and so on. I know this seems strange when they are lawyers, but apparently this often happens currently with textbooks. It’s about what is easiest. I’m not sure how / if it helps us though.

    I vaguely wonder if a legal challenge is possible, but I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know. The claim that statute law is “value added” under the wider markets initiative seems completely spurious to me.

    I requested the statute law database under FOI, and they rejected my request. That’s currently in the long queue waiting for attention of the Information Commissioner. Unfortunately, even if I get the database, it doesn’t resolve the copyright/license situation.

    Any other ideas?

  • A big hear-hear on this issue Francis as well as one question: what would you suggest doing to get the Department of Constitutional Affairs/OPSI’s to open the data up?

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