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  • This was a good post. This will be my First time to this site. Thanks for sharing this. I must subscribe to this site. I was a truck repairist for a while. Our technical tip of the year is this: Please do not make an attempt a exotic fixer without help. This will cost you mo money in the end. Thanks .!!

    • I noted from your first link the European Database Directive states, “allows users to copy information, provided that it is not a “substantial” part of a database”. It always goes a bit wrong when vague words like “substantial” are used. What counts as substantial? It’s too subjective.

  • As a member who fed into the GRADE report (by Charlotte Waelde) on database right and copyright for geodata, I subsequently blogged (http://www.journalofmaps.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/GIS/GRADE_Waelde.html) on the salient points that Charlotte raises in the report. Regardless of whether you believe geodata should be open/CC, Charlotte writes that copyright cannot be claimed and that database right is the one the subsists (for OS Mastermap in this instance) in the UK. This has important implications for how Mastermap is licensed in the UK. Of course, the big debate will be whether there is agreement that database right, rather than copyright, is appropriate.

  • Dear Jo, et. al.,

    Let me respond from a U.S. perspective to keep the discussion bounded in my response. I quote below from an article that Jim Campbell and I have recently submitted to the CODATA Journal. We argue that you can eliminate the need to address the copyrightability of factual compilations on a case by case basis by simply always licensing your data compilations to the public domain or commons whether a court would ultimately find them copyrightable or not. The poem “Fleas” or “Lines on the Antiquity of Microbes” is less than three words long yet was completely protected by copyright law until it entered the public domain. We argue that courts will support similar full protection in the selection, coordination and arrangement of even a very few data elements.

    Quote from an upcoming article:

    “A simple compilation of facts alone, absent originality in selection or arrangement, does not merit copyright protection in the U.S. (or most other countries). There is, Justice O’Connor pointed out, a clear difference between “discovery” and “authorship.” A census taker, for example, who records how many people live in a building is simply discovering and recording a fact – there is no originality hence no protectable authorship involved. The only source of originality, from a copyright perspective, lies in the way that those facts are creatively selected or arranged.

    But where is the line that separates the absence of originality from the required level of even a “slight amount” of creativity that will trigger copyright protection? A commons of scientific and technical data infrastructure cannot know. It must leave the choice of whether to assert copyright to the contributor and should offer the contributor a limited set of options for making his or her work available if asserting copyright. Further, if reasonable people might disagree as to whether a slight amount of creativity might exist in the selection, coordination or arrangement of data in a dataset, the need to resolve the question is eliminated by creators conveying to the world any rights they may have in the dataset through a public domain or open access license (e.g. creative commons licenses).”

    One can distinguish the selection, coordination and arrangement of data in a database from that of data in a data file but ultimately we argue that our approach resolves the uncertainty. When in doubt, license the scientific and technical data to the public domain … or if you really want to retain attribution, to the commons.

    P.S. The poem is “Adam had’em.”

  • There are two separate questions here:

    a) Are there rights in data you can license if you wanted to (if not there is no point creating a license as it is not enforceable)

    b) If there are rights is a CC license suitable.

    The answer to (a) is that it depends on your jurisdiction. In particular because of the Feist decision in the US it may well be the case that there are no IP rights in large bodies of data (e.g. geodata). However in many other jurisdictions — the EU in particular — it is most definitely the case that there are IP rights in the data and thus licensing makes sense.

    Coming to (b) the simple answer is that most CC-licenses, with a few special exceptions such as the Dutch license, do not really deal with data well. Nevertheless one could see the CC-licenses as a good interim solution as they express all the relevant concepts even if they are not perfectly tailored to the subject matter. The other alternative is simply to take a bit of time to make a new license or mod one of the existing CC ones to do what you want (as you may recall Jo, Giles Lane proposed a redraft of the CC licenses specifically for geodata about 2 years ago which we now host: http://www.okfn.org/geo/access.html#license).

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